The State has arisen...

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 Last week there was a long discussion following the Lib Dem Voice "Saturday debate" slot about "equality of opportunity" versus "equality of outcome".  I don't want to rehash that all here.  I was thoroughly frustrated in trying to get a fellow in the debate, apparently from the remnant Liberal Party, who was promoting some kind of "universal inheritance" policy funded by confiscating more of the inheritance of the wealthy, to understand that real liberalism needs to look at the causes of the disparity they seek to redress, and where it is already created or protected by the state, the preference should be to repudiate whatever interference causes such inequity before compounding one injustice, the accumulation of vast wealth at the expense of others, with another, the confiscation of that and further interference in peoples' economic lives.

Anyway, that's not what this is about.  He kept nagging me about what, as an "anarchist" would I "construct" instead of the state!  Well what a silly question.  I would not "construct" anything, if by that he implies that I might have some utopian blueprint that I would impose on everyone else.  That would not be liberty.  That would be a state.  But what I did say to him was that I was confident that humanity was sufficiently advanced for institutions to "arise" naturally to meet common needs and provide solutions to social problems.

His rejoinder was that the "state has arisen" in the past.  And, by implication, "why on earth do you think it would not arise again? " And I have to admit that that stumped me for a while.

And so thanks to The UK Libertarian blog I found this video by Stefan Molyneux about the origins and ends of states:

 

And the answer to my soi-dissant "Liberal" correspondent became obvious.  The state only originated in an act of aggression for which there were no structures to prevent or punish.  Why is it that people who oppose the idea of not having to kow-tow to governments feel that we have not developed one iota beyond the end of subsistence farming that prompted the first expropriation by a bigger neighbour?  The entire point of a market-anarchist no state society would be built on institutions arising to uphold two particular, natural and founding laws - of self-ownership and non-aggression.  A state, in such a system, could not commit that original act of aggression, conquest and confiscation with impunity.

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Erm, I was of the impression that Dane Clouston was a woman...

Actually, scrap that, a quick google search proves me wrong.

Thanks so much for posting this. I went into these arguments in more detail in my debate with Michael Badnarik...

http://fdrurl.com/phillyaudio

 No problem Stefan, though I have to say, you had me all depressed in that discussion with the Irish radio station that was streamed on LRN today.  Though I agree that there are huge forces ranged against anyone who wants to see a "recession" as Nock called it of state power in the form of client voter groups and so on do you not feel that in the west we are getting so close to the economic exhaustion of the ancien regime that people will start looking around for something radically different from the merry go round of "change of management" of the current political system?

Of course it was interesting that you were on with an Irish radio station, because in utter budget desperation they have had to make swingeing cuts in their public sector employment and I doubt in the near future anyone is likely to chase votes by saying "we'll give you your jobs back" because they will not be able to.

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